You can even see him grabbing his leg as he is moving. His leg was still damaged, that's why he struggled to dodge the ice shards. Cisco dodged those so I'm not sure how you can count that as something legit. Let's be honest here, this is a low showing. Furthermore, he struggles to dodge Caitlin's thrown ice shards in this episode and tagged by Alchemy in the last. He'd be completely invisible to Team Flash yet they can clearly see him move around as blur/streak of lightning. If Barry was mach 25 or over, then no one would be able to perceive him at all. ![]() Savitar so far looks like he might actually be a deity of some sort, because I can't see Barry ever realistically getting to that level. So far it seems like all three Speedsters would be basically motionless next to Savitar, so he just guts them with his spikes. Normal people can't even see him at all, and he's basically a speedster even to Barry's perception levels. Barry is faster than Zoom or Reverse Flash (we still haven't seen full-power RF), and when Savitar's in motion all Barry can perceive are the white lightning streaks. On topic, Savitar wins badly for now, perhaps even stomps. I just use the Mach's to determine where Speedsters stand in respect to each other. He's got consistent feats which are easily in the Mach Thousands, and he was consistently catching bullets (Mach 2-3 generally) before he even technically passed Mach 1. Barry's best feats are in the light Speed area, or even exceeding light speed in some cases, and most were when he was "Mach 2". I don't even follow the "Mach Speeds" at all as a general rule. I agree the CW Speedsters are wildly inconsistent. It's just like Sara's statement that Eobard's faster than Barry in LoT, it really doesn't mean much unless it's coming from someone who knows what they're talking about. Most likely he was just keeping pace with Jessie so as to monitor her. If it was Caitlin or Cisco I'd be more inclined to believe it. Remember that it's Wally who's making that comment, and he really has no idea what he's talking about it that context. The Jessie Quick scene was training, and Barry clearly wasn't going all-out. While we don't technically know Barry's current speed, it's definitely above Mach 25 by scaling off Zoom, I'd guess around Mach 28-30. He beats him without too much trouble twice after this, leading me to believe he's at least a solid Mach 3-5 above Zoom by season's end (he still struggled immensely with Zoom when only Mach 1 ahead). ![]() Then after Barry escapes and learns to further harness the Speed Force in "The Runaway Dinosaur", he's depicted to be a good bit faster than Zoom. Then near the 3/4 of S2 Zoom stole that speed, putting him at around Mach 25 and curing him of his disease caused by the Velocity 9. ![]() This was why he was faster, but not to the point it was an easy fight (he still needed prep to pull a legitimate victory, but was also stated by both the Team and Zolomon to be faster). When Barry was tachyon amped after deriving the Speed Equation from Wellsobard they stated he had dramatically increased to Mach 13.3, surpassing Zoom. ![]() Barry was stated to be around Mach 3.3 for the first half of Season 2, and Zoom was stated to be about 4 times faster.
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